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Doric Krete and Sparta, home of Greek philosophy

WHEELER — Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:56 pm

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Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:56 pm

It seems to me that no one knows what I'm talking about--I must be out in Left field.

Let's just start with Lorenzo Valla. He is the person that outed the document "The Donation of Constantine" as a forgery. It was a great disgrace and Valla's writing stunned Europe, disgraced the Church and started a revolution. Martin Luther read it. It encouraged him. Lorenzo Valla set off a nuclear device off with his discovery.

But how many people did it kill, i.e. the forgery? Did not the Papacy already own the land and control it? The forgery was used to protect the land from encroachment from other kings and nobles. It safeguarded the land. That was its purpose; a lie---but a benign lie.

Lorenzo Valla's exposure of this lie was explosive. It went all over Europe, made him famous. He was sort of a Latin scholar.

Buried in the Document is this actual phrase, "A republic is any government without a king". Why that is there makes no logical sense but it is there! Here is a Latin Scholar. Cicero does not make that point; he starts the republic under a king. But let's cut Lorenzo Valla some slack, Cicero's "De republica" he did NOT have.

How many people were killed because of that? English Civil Wars, the American and French Revolutions. How many people are being killed over that today? The Iraq War.

See, the Donation of Constantine killed no one---it probably saved lifes for it prevented war. How many people did Lorenzo kill with his redefinition.

Paul A. Rahe, in his book, Against Throne and Altar, (pg 28 ) says that all three Cicero, Sallust and Livy all started the res publica under the kings. Valla had Sallust and most certainly Livy.

So who is lying?

In one sentence, Paul A. Rahe demolished this definition---yet where is the fanfare? I posted on Cicero back in the early 2000s. It was on the internet. This book was published in 2008. (I beat him to the punch.)

This is Rahe's definition of a republic follows Cicero: It is, Cicero implies, only when men become aware of "the common utility (utilitas communis)" that the res publica is born". (Throne and Altar, 29) Rahe's definition, that republicanism is a sort of social compact around shared values(Republics, Ancient and Modern), still legitimizes America. Paul A. Rahe remarks in his book Republics, that a republic has no form.

Wrong. Plato in the Republic writes this: "the whole State, being thus constituted according to nature, will be wise". Where is this? Where is this "according to nature" anywhere in Rahe's work? Does he know the Laws of Nature? What truly is a republic? Does anybody know? Or are we all repeating the lie of Lorenzo Valla and Machiavelli?

Let it all be known: Lorenzo Valla has now received his comeuppance. The disgrace of the Donation of Constantine has been avenged.

The Lie they perpetrated, Valla and Machiavelli, created the Le Mirage Moderne. The joke is on them; they have blood on their hands. They are disgraced.

But here is the real kicker. I'm mad. I'm an idiot. I don't know what I'm talking about.

In his pamphlet Agrarian Justice, Thomas Paine, who was in France, a contemporary of Babeuf, would succinctly understand what the momentous events was ushering in when he stated:

Quote:

"A revolution in the state of civilisation is the necessary companion of revolutions in the system of government."
and
"It is a revolution in the state of civilisation that will give perfection to the Revolution of France."

Modern psuedo-republicanism was the vehicle in which the cultural revolution was advanced. It destroyed feudalism and Christendom. European culture and civilization was radically uprooted and transfigured. Thomas Paine was there. He witnessed it. He saw it. He recognized it for what it was! Do not take my word for it---take his! This "Modern pseudo-republicanism"? It is from Lorenzo Valla and Machiavelli!

Obviously, "we don't live in Kansas anymore". We are not living in European culture or in Western Civilization. I don't know what you all are thinking--but this is not our fathers culture or civilization! We live in a completely foreign and dirty and contemptous h*ll-hole.

And how is anybody going to know anything with this continuing dynamic silence? How many people really know what the real definition of a republic is? How many? I'm the only person.

How can we know the "To Kalon" if we know nothing of the Natural Law? The "To Kalon" is formed around the laws of nature. The "To Kalon" is found in the Golden Mean. How can those people over at Princeton discus "To Kalon" and they know nothing of the Golden Mean and its importance? How can that guy be an "expert on Plato" when Sparta as the home of Greek philosophy is not a H*T Topic? How does he understand Plato's Republic? How can he be an expert--when he is totally clueless about the influence of Doric philosophy upon Plato?

What a catastrophe this is. Europeans don't even know their own culture, heritage or civilization. They've been hood-winked to adopt something totally alien. And then Theodore Adorno and Max Horkheimer have the gall to trace the "holocaust" to Classical Greece!

How are we being betrayed by University presidents and the academics they hire? How is our own civilization destroyed? How long are we going to let people be decieved? How many teenagers are walking around saying "A republic is any government without a king"?

I think I have proven sufficiently what I am talking about. I know where I'm going, where I came from, and I understand what has happened. I've got the picture. I am not deceived by Le Mirage Moderne. The True Forgery? It is the life that we live now; it is what is in our textbooks, our reference books, our dictionaries, and what is being taught in the classroom. How many and why and how do Europeans hate their heritage? Lorenzo Valla uncovered a forgery and then created one gigantic Mirage himself. What a hypocrite.

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Nikolaos — Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:40 pm

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WHEELER — Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:33 am

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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:33 am

This post was be replicated in two other threads because it is very important and many people, I'm guessing, will not figure this out.

In my paper, "Doric Crete and Sparta, the home of Greek Philosophy", I wrote that "the establishment of the Senate is the signature characteristic of a republic".

Why did I say this?

(from my paper "The Classical definition of a republic" at Wikinfo.)

Quote:

"Cicero marks the beginning of the Roman commonwealth when Romulus "gave complete obedience to the auspices" and the foundation of the Senate".

The modern definition of a republic is "any government without a king". This comes from Machiavelli who divined that from Livy.

Why everybody quotes Livy is beyond me. Cicero wrote a book De republica and why no one quotes him---I'm stumped.

In order to do political science for the Romans, one had to participate in Roman politics and hold offices.

Livy didn't do any of this. Cicero did.

Cicero knew and read Greek---Livy probably did not.

Cicero visited Athens and went to school there---Livy did not.

Cicero was a Roman lawyer---Livy was not.

Cicero wrote a book on republics---Livy did not.

----yet, everybody uses Livy as an authority.

I took my conclusion that the beginning of republican form of government is the establishment of the senate from Cicero who wrote a book on the Republican form of government. This is the basis of what I said. Cicero clearly marks the beginning of the Roman Republic under a king with the establishment of the senate. This marks the beginning of mixed government. As Cicero has marked, I followed in his wake. He is an authority; an ancient authority.

For more info on this and sources and references please see Machiavelli's Errors. I can't figure out for the life of me why so many turn their back on Cicero and adopt Livy for!

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Along with Cicero, the establishment of an official parliment and especially the upper house, the House of Lords, as in the case of England, marks it as a Republic, a Classical Republic.

The Spartan Republic

WHEELER — Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:26 am

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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:26 am

This post is going to be replicated in two other threads because it is very important and many people, I'm guessing, will not figure this out.

In my paper, "Doric Crete and Sparta, the home of Greek Philosophy", I wrote that "the establishment of the Senate is the signature characteristic of a republic".

Why did I say this?

(from my paper "The Classical definition of a republic" at Wikinfo.)

Quote:

"Cicero marks the beginning of the Roman commonwealth when Romulus "gave complete obedience to the auspices" and the foundation of the Senate".

In Search of Sparta

Nikolaos — Sun Oct 11, 2009 2:59 pm

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Author and an expert of the ancient Spartan world Helena P. Schrader publishes her first article in Sparta forthcoming issue entitled 'In Search of Sparta':

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If you drive down the modern road from Tripoli (or Tegea as I prefer to think of it) toward Sparti (Sparta) there is a moment when coming around a bend you can catch the first glimpse of Taygetos. I will never forget the first time I encountered that view: it took my breath away. I could hardly concentrate on the winding road for straining to get another glimpse of those spectacular mountains. And when the valley of the Eurotas was spread out before me it was like revelation. My image of Sparta � Ancient Sparta and all that Sparta implied � was transformed in a single instant.

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Nikolaos — Sun Oct 11, 2009 2:56 pm

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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 2:56 pm

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The Muses were, to the Graeco-Roman world, the source of artistic expression; inspiring songs and dances to go beyond the human realm and enter that of the gods. Even today, the word �muse� is used to describe an artist�s inspiration and creative source. So, in an existence of emotional expression, sensitive creation and personal exploration, what place did the Muses have in the warrior culture of Sparta? What did their kings hope to achieve by, say, sacrificing to them before battle (Plutarch, Life of Lycurgus, 21)? Many ancient authors have given very short opinions on this topic, many modern scholars have considered it of little importance; however, with the growth of our understanding about the nature of combat, and with the use of comparative examples discussing the universal issues of battle, I believe a new understanding can begin to emerge.

Ultimately this is a question of whether there was room for creativity, in a culture that famously tried to curb individuality? but if so how?

The Muses may well be the key.

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